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... leave Robin out of Batman!
by Sturdy
I’ve read rumors that the third Nolan-directed Batman film might introduce Bats’ trusty sidekick Robin. I don’t know if this is true or not, or how much of a role Robin would play in the film, but I want to go on record now as saying I think it’s a horrible idea. Again, I have no idea what Nolan has planned and common sense says trust the guy to do whatever he wants, but I just can’t see any way the character of Robin would work in Nolan’s Gotham City.
I really don’t think it worked in the comics either
For starters, I don’t think the character of Robin has ever worked, whether it be on film, TV or in the comics. He’s always seemed a little awkward and annoying. I guess you could make an argument for the old Batman TV show, but that was a different time and a much different type of Batman. Obviously, the Schumacher Robin was horrible. I think when you get into the comics, Robin changes the tone and feel of the story. For some reason, I can’t take Batman as seriously when he has Robin around. Let’s face it; Robin is not a cool character. Even if you go with a darker version of Robin, he’s still just a boy gymnast that likes to wear tights.
This isn’t exactly the same Batman
If I told you a story about a handsome, young, boy gymnast that moved in with an attractive, wealthy, single, older man, what would be the first thing you would assume? Exactly. That’s kind of my point when it comes to Batman and Robin. Their connection always feels forced and slightly homoerotic. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I just don’t want that in Nolan’s Batman. That’s better left to a different type of movie in a completely different type of genre. Maybe one of those you would have to order under a fake name.
Sometimes one picture says it all.
I would venture to say that if you got together all of today’s best writers and filmmakers and locked them in a room, they wouldn’t be able to come up with a Robin storyline that worked. The only possibility I could see is if you started from scratch with the two characters and began a whole new franchise. I think you’d have to create a separate world and have a completely different Batman. Nolan has crafted such an amazing character with his Batman that I just can’t see him being able to add Robin into the fold without ruining what he’s created.
He’s too good of a character to have Robin come in now
I would love to hear a scenario in which this would work because I can’t come up with anything. Maybe, and I mean maybe with Bruce Wayne going to the circus in the very last scene of the third film. That could possibly work, but definitely not in a major role. Nolan has denied Robin will make an appearance, but rumors are popping up and that has me worried. Lets allow BATMAN AND ROBIN to be the last time we see Robin on film.
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Battosai
on Jul 30 2008, 5:13:03 AM writes:
FRANK MILLER CAN PULL THIS OFF.
If there's Anyone who can do it, it's him. |
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Arvindh
on Jul 22 2008, 12:28:56 PM writes:
NO ROBIN
Maybe some of you are right when you say Nolan can make Robin work. He's made every other Batman element work so far, so why not Robin, right? Still, for some reason, I can't see or accept Robin in Nolan's version of Gotham. Not now, at least. To me, Batman's always meant to be a loner. He does what he does alone. People like Robin or Nightwing and especially Batgirl just ruin that mystique. Nope, No Robin for me. I'd rather see six whole Batman flicks without the dude...and then maybe, just MAYBE, a small hint of him. |
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 DeejayForte
on Jul 4 2008, 2:30:17 AM writes:
jesus christ, 7 pages and im just chiming in now to just say, jesus christ |
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 sbunn10
on Jul 3 2008, 4:59:27 PM writes:
FORGET ROBIN
now.. this isn't solid, and I dont know where, but my brother read that Robin would not be involved in the Nolan batman trilogy... I hope his source was good.. |
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stickmangrit
on Jul 2 2008, 1:29:05 PM writes:
ROGUESMURF
thank you, you just absolutely nailed it. and as for the earlier comment about loner batman vs mentor batman, wouldn't it make sense for Nolan to close his trilogy with the transition between the two? and how kickass would it be to end this trilogy with that last page from DV, with Bats swearing in Robin in the cave?
and furthermore, did we question Nolan when the Joker had makeup? did we question him when Joker had a glassgow smile? did we question the runtime or the introduction of Dent's full story? or did we realize that we're talking about a filmmaker who's got five solid to great films under his belt, including the perfect live action rendition of Batman's character. and even if we did doubt, the first clips of Ledger washed all of that away. Nolan's gotten us this far by being true to the characters and the spirit of the books, if anyone can put DV robin on a screen and make it work, it's Nolan. |
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RogueSmurf6
on Jul 2 2008, 7:55:11 AM writes:
YES ROBIN!
For everyone who keeps referring to Robin as just a kid in tights, what do you think Batman wore before they gave him a movie version costume?
Anyway, I've always held the belief that Batman Begins was practically screaming to introduce Robin down the line. Think about it, every character in that movie, with the exception of Rachel, was a surrogate father figure for Bruce. Everyone from Alfred and Lucius to Ras and that evil corporate guy who wanted to take over Wayne Industries. The natural progression of that is to eventually turn Bruce into a father figure himself. He learns from those men and passes it along. They say the line, 'why do we fall?' so many times that it's common sense to eventually have Bruce say it to someone.
What's more, all of those father figures, like Alfred, Lucius and Gordon, will never understand or approve of Bruce being Batman. They will accept it and help him, but they won't get it. Robin is that approval. Robin represents the idea that Bruce is not alone in his belief of being a costumed crimefighter. And like someone said before, Robin represents the continuation of Batman. If Bruce truly wants to create an idea and not just a man, then he has to have a way for Batman to continue after he dies. Training an apprentice is the logical step.
And if the news of the new movie is to be believed, Gotham becomes an even darker place and Batman is on the verge of cracking up. Robin is the balance that keeps Bruce Wayne from going insane and losing himself in his dark identity.
So Robin represents a lot in the Batman-mythos. He's not just some cuddly kid or Burt Ward. He's one of the reasons that Batman sticks out as a dark vigilante. Do you know how many dark vigilantes there are in the comic world? Probably not because none of them matter as much as Batman. And it's not just because Batman has been around for a long time. It's because Batman's world is so fascinating, and Robin is a part of that world.
Also, Nolan's comments about Dick being in a crib somewhere are wrong. Bruce turned 30 in Batman Begins. Does that mean, if Robin is around 10 when he joins Batman, that Bruce is in his 40s by the time he gets Robin? Then his 50s by the time Robin becomes Nightwing? |
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Random490
on Jul 1 2008, 11:20:54 PM writes:
YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK
There's definitely a way to make Robin work, specially with Nolan in three easy steps
1. Make him late teens early 20's, no kid side kick crap
2. give a good reason, make him some one living in the Narrows (parent died as a kid, keep the circus). Make him become a bit of an informant, working kind of like Gordon. Eventually working more into Batman's confidence. Have a nice Bruce/Ducard theme
3. Maybe no costume, or stick with a Nightwing look.
Just look at the idea of a side kick seriously and throw away previous notions of camp. the Nolan verse has a lot you can do with |
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pooisfuntoeat
on Jul 1 2008, 10:20:03 PM writes:
READ BATMAN DARK VICTORY
I'm not saying that this is a great Robin story, but it is the only Robin story that I can stomach. Seriously, if it is done in this way, then you get dick grayson the whole movie and robin only in the last 5 minutes. Seriously, if anyone thinks it is impossible to do a decent Robin story, please read BATMAN DARK VICTORY. IT IS ALSO THE THIRD BOOK IN THE TRILOGY OF BATMAN'S RISE (BATMAN BEGINS is loosely based on the 1st book BATMAN YEAR ONE & THE DARK KNIGHT is loosely based on the 2nd book BATMAN THE LONG HALLOWEEN) |
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 drwcomics
on Jul 1 2008, 6:46:14 PM writes:
I AGREE
completely with the last two comments made. Robin CAN work in a Batman movie. Not as the wisecracking kid-sidekick, but as the young troubled kid who will one day replace Batman when Bruce is too old to wear the cowl. I'd go into more detail, but advancedrebel said it perfectly, took the words right out of my mouth (or keyboard..?..) |
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anomaly7
on Jul 1 2008, 6:42:47 PM writes:
For me there are two batmans: the loner batman, and the mentor batman. Nolan did great with the loner batman and i personally feel that should be the theme of his trilogy. Why mess with something that works? I've always wondered if Nolan could pull off a great Robin character, but I don't think it fits with his vision. Not that I don't like robin, just not with Bale's batman. |
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